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terrorism. nato members are now contributing more to shared security. and our approach to south asia and specifically afghanistan means building upon our relationships with india and pakistan to stamp out terrorism and support the afghan government in providing security for their own people. and isis' fraudulent caliphate in iraq and syria is on the brink of being completely extinguished, thanks to an aggressive new strategy led by the president. what we have accomplished, we have done as a team. similarly, secretary mnuchin has levied economic sanctions on north korea and related entities. countries must increasingly decide whether they will do business with north carolina or with the community of peace-loving nations. ambassador hailey has spearhe
spearheaded and achieved enormous successing wi enormous success, passing the toughest u.n. sanctions to date on north korea. general mattis and i communicate virtually every day and we agree there must be the highest level of coordination between our diplomatic efforts and our military efforts. you can't have a stronger partner than a secretary of defense who embraces diplomacy. and i hope he feels he has the partner he needs at the at a time department. and this is just the beginning of the list of partners and friends across the government who are all working for the american people. there's much to be done and we're just getting started. to address a few specifics that have been erroneously reported this morning, the vice president has never had to persuade me to remain as secretary of state, because i have never considered leaving this post. i value the friendship and the counsel of the vice president and i admire his leadership within president trump's administration to address the many important agendas of president trump, both from a
foreign policy perspective and a diplomatic -- i'm sorry, a domestic objective. let me tell you what i've learned about this president, whom i did not know before taking this office. he loves his country. he puts americans and america first. he's smart, he demands results wherever he goes, and he holds those around him accountable for whether they've done the job he's asked them to do. accountability is one of the bedrock values the president and i share. while i'm new to washington, i have learned that there are some who try to sew dissension to advance their own agenda by tearing others apart, in an effort to undermine president trump's own jaagenda. i do not and i will not operate that way. and the same applies to everyone on my team here at the state department. when i wake up in the morning,
my first thoughts are about the safety of our citizens at home and abroad. there's no more importantly responsibility i carry with me than ensuring that americans are safe. providing for the security of the united states must be the number one goal of our american foreign policy. president trump and his administration will keep moving forward as one team, with one mission. doing great things for the united states of america, to make america great again. thank you. >> is that the only thing that you consider to be erroneous in that article? >> i think it's the most important out of the article is to reaffirm my commitment to this role that president trump's asked me to serve and to dispel with this notion that i have ever considered leaving. i have answered that question repeatedly. for some reason, it continues to be misreported. there's never been a consideration in my mind to leave. i serve at the appointment of the president and i am here for as long as the president feels i
can be useful to achieving his objectives. >> mr. secretary, do you agree with secretary mattis that the united states should stay in the jcpoa? >> we'll have a recommendation for the president. we're going to give him a couple of options of how to move forward to advance the important policy towards iran. as you've heard us say many times, the jcpoa represents only a small part of the many issues that we need to deal with when it comes to the iranian relationship. so it is an important part of that, but it is not the only part. and i've said many times, we cannot let the iranian relationship be defined solely by that nuclear agreement. >> can you address the main headline of this story that you called the president a moron, and if not, where do you think these reports -- >> i'm not going to deal with petty stuff like that. this is what i don't understand about washington. again, i'm not from this place. but the places i come from, we don't deal with that kind of petty nonsense. and it is intended to do nothing
but divide people. and i'm just not going to be part of this effort to divide this administration. >> secretary, did you speak with the president about the report and did he ask you to make a statement or -- >> i have not spoken to the president this morning. i think he's on his way to las vegas, is my understanding. >> secretary, [ inaudible ] foreign minister [ inaudible ] do you have a reliable partner in pakistan now? >> yes, i believe we do. i think the pakistan relationship -- the pakistan relationship and the u.s. relationship is extraordinarily important region fally. and as we rolled out the south asia strategy, we spoke about it in a regional context. it is not just about afghanistan. this is about the importance of pakistan and pakistan's long-term stability as well. we have concerns about the future of pakistan's government, in terms of the want it to be stable and peaceful. and many of the same issues
they're struggle with inside of pakistan is our issues. we think there is an opportunity to strengthen that relationship. we're going to be working very hard at all levels, from the state department to the defense department to our intelligence communities, as well as economic, commerce opportunities as well. so it really is a regional approach and pakistan is critical, i think, to the long-term stability of the region. thank you very much. >> all right. hello, everyone. i'm kate balduan. i want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. we were seeing just now, secretary of state rex tillerson, taking kind of an extraordinary moment to address some reporting coming from -- reporting about his position in the administration, if he wanted to leave, if he thought about leaving the administration. this coming from reporting from nbc news. we have a lot to discuss here, because this is not a secretary of state who often takes questions, either. joining me right now to discuss is barbara starr. she's our pentagon
correspondent, of course. david chalian is a cnn political director, global affairs correspondent, elise labott, and kaitlan collins, white house correspondent. kaitlan, you have some new reporting on all of this. tell me what you have. >> reporter: so we have confirmed that the secretary of state, rex tillerson, who we just heard from there, did refer to the president addss a moron s summer. i'm told by sources from the white house that the president was aware about this remark, but that the situation has gotten worse now that it's become so public after nbc news first reported it this morning. now, we just saw tillerson there, with he was directly asked if he referred to the president as a moron and he did not deny it, but said he was not going to get into petty stuff, quote. now, tillerson also during that said, reaffirmed his commitment to the position of secretary of sta state. he pushed back on those reports the that the vice president had to convince him to stay because
he was considering leaving. tillerson said that he did not consider leaving and pence did not tell him that. but sources tell cnn that pence and tillerson are quite quote, the two men get lunch quite often and communicate very frequently. and they told us today after that moron remark after the summer, that pence counseled tillerson on how to interact with the administration the best and how to interact with the president moving forward. so we have some reporting about that today. >> and rex tillerson was asked directly about this, this reporting by nbc news that he had called president trump a moron after a meeting over at the pentagon. rex tillerson not addressing it, just saying, this is not what i don't understand about washington, i'm not going to deal with petty stuff like this, this petty nonsense. david chalian, let me bring you in on this. this is kind of an extraordinary moment for the secretary of state to hold this unscheduled,
hastily planned news conference to address a news report, to reaffirm that he is not leaving the administration. normally you only hold such a press conference that if you're making an announcement that, i don't know, you are leaving your post. >> i can't think of an example of this high-level cabinet member ever holding a formal news conference to make a statement to deal with a story that was reported with anonymous sources and what have you. so it is definitely a departure from the norm of what we see here. there's no doubt about that. and that may be because donald trump operates in a way that dpra departs from the norm all the time with his team. and perhaps secretary tillerson might have thought this might be the best way to communicate with donald trump, to let the president see him going to this extra effort. as we know, the president is a huge consumer of cable news throughout the day and to go before cameras and do this
publicly and talk with press about it, perhaps he thought this was the best strategy to let president trump knew where exactly he was going here, to reaffirm his commitment to say. i thought stfit was really interesting, kate. he said he wanted to address a couple of specifics in that nbc report. and he did. he addressed two specifics. one, he said he never considered ever leaving the administration. that was one specific in the story that he addressed. and two, he addressed the specifics of the reporting about mike pence counseling him and talking to him. and he said, we never had a conversation where mike pence convinced me to stay, because, refer to point one, i never consider leaving. what he did not do was address specifically this charge, this reporting that we now have, too, of him calling the president a mor moron. he just completely did not deny that that is actually something, a word that came out of his mouth when discussing the president of the united states. he did, indeed, took pains in his statement to say that he thought president trump was smart. but he didn't deny at all that he used the word "moron" when
describing his boss. >> well, now, kaitlan collins has matched this reporting on the "moron" comment. david, on the most basic level, how does a president keep a secretary or any cabinet level in place who thinks he's a mo n moron? >> it is hard to imagine that this is not the kind of thing that gets under donald trump's skin. this is -- any president, i'm sure, would be annoyed if their secretary of state called them a moron, right? anybody could understand that. somebody working for you, out there using that kind of language. >> absolutely. >> but this president specifically, because of how much he cares about his brand and the narrative in the news and what's out there. if he can actually stomach, he is not the most thick-skinned guy, as he's proven to be throughout his tenure in the white house. so if he can actually stomach having a secretary of state out there referring to him as a mar
r moron, that would be turning another cheek that we don't see donald trump do all that often. >> let's back up a couple of steps. we kind of started in the middle of it with this press conference today. for our viewers, this came about, because nbc had reporting this morning that rex tillerson came out just now and said was not true. walk us through this, please. >> reporter: well, look, kate, we've all been reporting for several months, back since the summer, that secretary of state tillerson is frustrated in the job. this is a man who came from the top echelons. he was the ceo of exxonmobil, one of the biggest multi-national companies in the woer world, coming in as essentially a staffer to the president, and repeatedly has been kind of, you know, undermined by the president. whether it's on -- whether he's flying down to mexico to meet with the mexicans and president trump says something negatively about the mexicans, as recently as this week, when he's in the
middle of trying to get some negotiations going with north korea and the president tweets that, you know, i'm telling my secretary it's a waste of time. so we know that this secretary is frustrated. this is not a secret to anybody. but the fact that he's using this kind of language, i mean, out in the open, i think, is very interesting. look, you remember after the charlottesville violence, when he was asked pointedly about president trump's behavior and his tweets, and secretary tillerson said, the president speaks for himself. i think that was one of the major kind of ruptures where we saw that this frustration with the president's behavior, with his speech, with his policies is getting a little bit much for secretary tillerson. but i have to say, speaking to aides, they say that he doesn't really -- you know, he may gripe and may talk about, you know, maybe leaving at some point, but that he's not ready to go and why? because he's working with
secretary mattis, with secretary ma nuchen, with general kelly, the chief of staff, in terms of working for the country. this is a patriot and he doesn't immediate the job. i mean, he's worth tens of millions, possibly billions of dollars. but aides tell me, look, he has a job to do. he's going to try to do that job, as long as he can. and he's just going to try to tune out the noise. this is a man that generally does not care about what's written about him in the press, he doesn't talk to the press very often. so that's why today is so extraordinary. i think he was really speaking to the president to say, i know we have our differences, but i respect you and i want to do the job on behalf of the american people. >> i've never considered leaving this post. there's much to be done and we're just getting started. those are two of the big points from today. for our viewers, here is the news. here are the headlines that he was responding to today. nbc reporting this morning that he was on the verge of resigning over the summer, because of
policy differences and personal differences. this came in light of when the president went and made that speech, speech to the boy scouts of america. also, then that vice president mike pence had to step in, had to talk to rex tillerson and convince him to stay in his post and counsel him on how to mend relationships and how best to communicate with the president of the united states. the additional bit that we have been talking about is that they are reporting, we have confirmed that reporting, that rex tillerson called the president a moron then in a july 20th meeting at the pentagon, with the national security team. that's a little bit background, that i think is important, that everyone has. let's go to the state department. michelle kosinski. she was in the room for this somewhat -- this extraordinary moment and press conference with the secretary of state. michelle, take us in the room. >> reporter: yeah. i think it's clear what he wanted to focus on and didn't want to focus on. i mean, what he didn't focus on
was the gorilla in that room. going in, even aides, some of them didn't know what he was going to say until moments before. they knew the gist of it. everybody was speculating, was he going to full-on resign? was he going to defend himself or shut down that reporting? i think that was the most likely answer. and that's what it was. but shutting it down, i mean, he really didn't do much to that extent, other than what we've already mentioned in that statement that the vice president had to persuade him to stay. so that's really the only thing that he pointed out, that he called erroneous. so, you know, the first question was obvious. anything else? you know, maybe that moron comment? but he wouldn't deny that. i think that's very telling. and i think when you look at the extent of tillerson's time at the state department, it's often what he doesn't say. i mean, he's the one who will
tell you, he's a man of few words. so when he just days ago won't defend the president's tweets, you know, it's a situation where you have this spokesperson for the state department defending those tweets on north korea and defending those tweets and seems to undermine tillerson himself, and saying things like, oh, the president is cloear and direct. well, tillerson won't say those things. he won't go so far as to point out even a single thing that is helpful about some statements that the president had mas made when tillerson is asked directly about them. so there is no secret that he has been frustrated. that it's been hard for him to do his job at times. and we heard this coming from foreign diplomats who have had conversations with him, who have been in the room when he's been undermined by the president's tweets, at the very moment that a meeting is going on. we hear this from friends of
turls tillerson who don't deny the rumors that he might leave at some point. it's not ever been to a point where we've heard directly that he's on the very brink of leaving or something like that, but we've heard from friends of tillerson, that he is not happy in washington. we've heard this from more than one friend of his. so, we know he has frustrations. i don't think he's hidden those very well. but today, i think you have to ask yourself, how much did the white house, not the president himself. i mean, he said he hasn't spoken to the president today, but how much did the white house and collaboration there go into this statement that was like a litany of things that the administration has done or wants to accomplish, kate? >> michelle, thank you so much. the one -- one of the people that the secretary of state took pains to compliment in his remarks was the secretary of defense, james mattis. let me go over to the pentagon. barbara starr is there. barbara, what's the pentagon view of this? >> well, the pentagon, obviously, not speaking publicly
about it. but i've talked to a source who has, you know, over the weeks and months, been in the room when there have been private conversations between the secretary of defense, the secretary of state, and the white house national security adviser, h.r. mcmaster, for example. they have often talked about when some of them are on the road, there have been teleconferences, that sort of thing. this person describes to me that, yes, tillerson uses salty language. he would not be the first cabinet member. he won't be the last. nothing really more than that. but describes it as salty language. there was an interaction between mattis, tillerson, and h.r. mcmaster where tillerson became extremely irritated, we are told by this person with direct knowledge, irritate ed with h.r mcmaster and the white house because they were pressuring him, in his view, to move faster on an afghan strategy. this person describes tillerson's response to mcmaster as being, well, you can go ahead
and do that, but you can do it without me. not a threat to resign, but the level of irritation that tillerson had at the time. we are told that mattis stepped in, the secretary of defense repeatedly very close to tillerson and trying to mentor him a bit in perhaps just like the vice president, in how to deal with this political environment in washington. that is what we are hearing here. there are facts here that are really not in dispute, which is that the secretary of state becomes irritated, not the first cabinet member, won't be the last. and that mattis is one of his turn-to people to work over these problems when he does become irritated. so, we are even as of yesterday, on capitol hill, with secretary mattis, trying very strongly to defend tillerson's efforts with the chinese, to negotiate over north korea. mattis trying to carve out the position that staying in the iranian nuclear agreement might
be good for national security. so you are seeing these very candid comments continue to emerge, even as this other reporting goes on. kate? >> absolutely. barbara, thank you so much for that. and it appears the president of the united states, albeit -- albeit aboard air force one, it appears that he may be watching cable news today. he did just tweet out this a couple minutes ago. "the nbc news story has just been totally refuted by secretary tillerson and vp pence. it's #fakenews." he then, of course -- he's asking for an apology to america. there's a lot more to come on this, as you can see. thank you all, i really praesht appreciate it. coming up, we have stunning new details and imaging from the las vegas massacre. officials say these pictures of guns, cameras, high-tech equipment in the shooter's hotel room indicates he meticulously planned the attack. the new details that are emerging and what's the latest on the investigation? that's next. plus, we have breaking
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next. [ gunfire ] >> why are there people laying on the ground? why are there people laying on the ground? they're laying on the ground? why are they laying on the ground? oh, my god. >> we're also seeing the perspective of first responders, desperate to help these victims, and also to try to find the killer. this new video that came in is from the police officer's body cameras. [ gunfire ] >> go that way. go that way. go that way.
>> hey, they're shoot right at us, guys. everybody, stay down. stay down! >> where's it at? >> it's north of the mandalay bay. it's coming out of a window. >> there's also fresh perspective from the killer's room at mandalay bay. cnn's sara sidner is live outside the resort now with much more. sara, what are you hearing there right now? >> reporter: we are seeing new photos of the arsenal that stephen paddock gathered inside of his room, those 23 guns. we are also getting details from investigators about the cameras that he had set up. i mean, he clearly had planned this to excruciating detail, putting cameras outside of the room, creating something with his peephole, so he could see anyone who would be coming or going, that passed or came to his room. so certainly, he was ready for just about anything. we are also learning about what investigators found inside the room besides that arsenal. things like bump stocks.
and what those can do is help a gun fire much faster, very similar to an automatic weapon. what they don't know is whether or not he actually used those in the shooting. what we do know is he was shooting between 9 and 11 minutes. if you think about that, if he did use those and treated his guns and turned his guns into automatic weapons, that is a lot of people and explains the number of people injured and the number of people who were killed on that terrible night. we should also talk about the fact that he is being investigated also for the amount of money that he sent to his girlfriend, somewhere around $100,000. and so, there are a lot of questions here that people are trying to gather, because ultimately, the one question they need answers is still not answered. why did he do it? what was the motivate behind all of this? what led him to do this? and, clearly, he had planned this for some time. ultimately, authorities found in three different locations belonging to stephen paddock, 47
firearms. almost half of those were inside that room. how many of those he used, we don't know. but certainly enough to kill 58 people and injure hundreds more. >> sara, thank you so much for the latest on the investigation. let's talk about the other major focus for investigators right now. marilou danley, she's the killer's girlfriend who he lived with. what does she know? what can she offer? danley just arrived back in the united states overnight from the philippines. police have said that she's a person of interest and that they plan to speak with her. cnn's nic robertson is joining me now, live from manilla for more on this. nic, what are you learning there? >> reporter: yeah, kate, what we're getting from philippine authorities, i have to say, is very little. they're being very tight lipped. they say they don't want to hurt an ongoing u.s. active investigation. i spoke to a spokesperson at the bureau of immigration here. she has a big fbi plaque on the wall. she's trained with the fbi. she has a good relationship with
them. she told me she works regularly with them and homeland security. and with this issue, on marilou danley, she said she did cooperate with u.s. authorities. but she gave very, very few details. it wasn't until marilou danley actually landed in the united states that she said she gave the details of when danley arrived here in the philippines on the 25th of september, leaving late yesterday evening and landing obviously, late yesterday evening, in the united states. but she wouldn't give any other details outside of that. i pressed her. i said, look, did she have an fbi escort with her when she left? no, she wouldn't answer that question. she said, did danley leave her of her own free will. she didn't want to answer that either. only saying that all of this was done in coordination with u.s. authorities, with their full knowledge of what was happening. the clues that we are getting into what danley was going through when she was here are coming from her sisters in australia. they're speaking out about her situation and saying that they believe that paddock sent her
here to the philippines to be out of the way. this is what they said. >> reporter: so what the official here told me when i asked about those tens of thousands of dollars that have been sent here, again, tight-lipped, no information given, saying that's something she can't get into at this time. doesn't want to hurt the u.s. investigation. kate? >> nic robertson in manilla, nic, thank you so much.
so much to be learned there. let's discuss right now. joining me, james gagliano, cnn law enforcement analyst and retired fbi special agent. jonathan lackrow is here, former secret service agent. and jonathan katz, former dea agent and former firearms instructor. thank you so much for being here. jonathan, let's start, there are a lot of developments here, but one a lot of folks are wondering about, cameras inside the room and outside the room. what is that about? >> well, what it's an indicator of is he engaged in a lot of pre-planning. you know, going through and setting up these cameras. he thought about this attack for a long time. he had a battle plan. he had a battle plan on how to launch the attack, the position of the attack welco, but he alsa battle plan on how to respond and how to attack law enforcement, as they were coming to get him. so he had those cameras set up in the hallway, as an early warning to know when they're outside. again, to launch a counterattack
against law enforcement. this is -- again, we went back a couple of days ago. we started saying, the optic of this individual is going to change overtime. as more of these facts come out, now we're starting to see this. we're starting to see the weapons system used, the amount of ammunition, the money transfers to the wife. again, the investigative process is working. again, we've talked about this. it's, you know, maybe not as fast as some people want, but this is being done right, at the right pace. >> david, 23 guns in his room, 12 of them modified to turn them into basically automatic -- basically automatic at this point. the shooting went on between 9 and 11 minutes is what the authorities there say. as a firearms expert, what is your takeaway from that? did he use all the weapons? >> no, i doubt it. once you start putting out that much -- that many rounds through a barrel, you're going to damage the round probably after 200 rounds. he probably have had additional weapons just in case the barrel started to deform or melt after a while. with that bump stock, you're
probably max fire at 600 rounds per minute. that's not quite fully automatic, but fast enough to create this carnage that we saw. so did he use all of them? i really doubt it. but probably used 200, 300, even more. >> that's even more terrifying, knowing that perspective from you and what was possible coming from that room. james, a huge focus now is the girlfriend. she may have some answers that are very necessary. just landed back in the united states, as you heard from her sisters, they said she had nothing to do with it. that he sent her away. what are the first question you have for marilou danley? >> sure, kate, to jonathan's point, this is going to be a protracted investigation. and we all want answers. because the difficult part of this is not being able to assess motive. and that's why this has not been from justice department officials, from their position, it's not been classified as terrorism, just yet. the fbi has 65 different legal attaches that are around the
world. they've got relationships with justice department officials in all of those countries. now, the girlfriend clearly did a number of -- she made a number of trips that are going to come under scrutiny. and then you have the money wiring, as well. that is going to be picked apart by forensic accountants. all of those things are investigative clues and they're going to piece these things together. and i know we're all lacking for motive and all grasping to find motive. but i believe that the police working in concert with the fbi are doing -- taking the appropriate steps, releasing what's necessary to the public, the public has a right to know. but by the same token, we don't want to release anything prematurely that might affect or impede the investigation. >> that's absolutely understandable. gentlemen, thank you so much, for being with me. as we said, a lot of folks wondering why, but we're starting to hear from some of the families of the victims. they don't even care why, because it will not change what has happened to their families and what has happened to their loved ones. at least 58 people died in that senseless tragedy in las vegas. each one of them with their own story. and with their own family. and with their own community now
facing the shock and grief of their new reality. jenny parks is one of the people we want to tell you about right now. she and her husband, bobby. they were at the concert together. both were shot. he survived. she did not. with me now is bobby's uncle, and family friend, thank you so much for coming in. these are impossible circumstances, but i really appreciate your time. >> thank you for having us. >> steven, how are y'all doing right now? >> oh, it's been pretty tough. the family is grieving very very much so. i can't even imagine what bobby, my nephew, is going through, as well as his children, bryce and leah. their mother was everything to them. and she was quite a bit, very special to our entire family. i cannot think of any better word to describe her than saying she was dearly a precious angel that had been gifted to us.
when bobby first brought her home, i remember how the entire family just adored her immediately. she was smart, she was beautiful, she was intelligent, giving, loving, never heard her say a bad word about anyone. same with bobby. i couldn't be prouder to be his uncle. and they were the perfect family. who would have thought that something like this could ever happen? and ruin such an important relationship. she had so much to give. her kindergarten students are now mourning. in may, she got her masters of education so that she could be a kindergarten teacher. this is her third year of teaching. and it's been amazing. tonight, they're holding a memorial at the school for her. it's really been a loss for us. a terrible loss. >> absolutely.
steven, have you had a cans hano talk to pbobby? >> i have not had a chance to talk to bobby. i've talked to other family members and it's been very tough for anyone to speak about what happened. we understand that it appears that jenny may have been one of the first people to be shot. she was struck in the head and bobby thought she fainted. being the hero that he is and the gentlemen that he is, he laid his body across her, so that -- to protect her. and then he felt the blood behind her head and realized she was gone. she was also shot, had to go through surgery and is going to need to go through reconstructive surgery on his hand. he also had another niece, bobby's brother's wife, who was present. she managed to get out without being harmed, but she is now dealing with survivor guilt. and she's also a lovely person, jessie, and you know, she's an important part of this entire
thing, as well. but the loss of jenny cannot -- i can't even put it into words. four years ago, i lost my spouse and bobby held me in his arms and said, i can't even imagine what you're going through. i can't imagine what i would do if anything happened to jenny. and four years later, he's living this. he's only 40 years old. this shouldn't have happened to them. >> on that exact point, jessica, i had seen that jenny was in the middle of actually planning bobby's 40th birthday party. can you talk to me about what kind of a couple they were? >> steven actually can talk a little bit more about that. i'm a former coworker of bobby's, and i only knew him, unfortunately. >> jenny and bobby were, like i said, the perfect couple. they loved the outdoors. as a matter of fact, jenny was planning a 40th birthday party for bobby.
and they had just purchased a boat. they had a cabin, everybody was going to be out on the lake. they loved water skiing, jet skiing, knsnow skiing. bryce and leah, the daughter and son, loved all of these activities. both of them were very -- both of the parents were very encouraging of the children. bryce -- i used to joke with bryce, still joke with bryce, that he's such an engineer that he's going to create the fastest wheelchair for his old uncle steven when he's ready for it. leah has been playing the piano. she dances beautifully. you know, everything that you would expect a family to be. and they cared about each other and they cared about all of us. every time she walked into a family function, she lit up the entire room and everybody loved her. i really don't know anyone -- >> you just see these pictures of her -- >> yeah, look at her.
>> and i never had the pleasure of meeting her, and she lights up every picture that i've seen of her. she seems just beautiful, outside and in. and you're exactly right to focus on bryce and leah. they're two children who are going to need so much love and care and help right now. jessica, you have wanted to help the family. you have put together a gofundme page in order to try to help them out. >> yes, i have. bobby was very supportive of my nonprofit jessica's help project, which supported the troop, and you know, when i heard what had happened, i had to help, you know, in some way. he paid it forward and it was my turn to pay it forward to their family. and we just are hoping we can raise some more funds. we've hit so many goals that i increased it to 15k and i'm so thankful for everyone who has donated and has shared the page and we just want to continue to support the family during this time. >> absolutely. steven mccarthy, jessica madden, thank you so much for coming on and telling us -- and telling
jenny's story, and bobby's story. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> jenny parks. she is one of the 58 lives cut short in this senseless massacre. cnn has identified more of the victims over the past 24 hours since we last came to you with a list. we want to share those names with you, the new names that we have confirmed. they are more names to be remembered, more name to be said out loud and more names to be added to the long list of victims name. denise salomon burditus. 50 years old. christopher roybal, 28. charleston hartfield, 34 years old. jessica klymchuk, 28 years old. qinton robbins, he was 20 years old. hanna ahlers, 34 years old. st stacee etceber.
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>> that's right. there were roughly 3,000 ads that we know of so far that ran on facebook in 2015, 2016, that were tied to russia. now, what we are now learning is where some of these ads were targeted. now, we are learning from our sources, four sources familiar with the matter, that two of the states that were targeted were michigan and wisconsin. those are two states, of course, that president trump ended up narrowly carrying that propelled them to the presidency. now, as part of what we have now learned is that facebook has turned over these ads, but these ads really appeared all over the country. we reported this in our initial story, that these ads appeared in various states, non-swing states. but significantly, we're learning of these two swing states. the question is, did it make a difference at all in those states and president trump's ultimate victory there? and if anybody in the trump campaign universe was involved in any way with this russia campaign effort? that is something that we don't have any evidence for at this
point. but it's something that we are told by investigators that they are going to look into more fully, starting to look at exactly, if there were any links at all at u.s. individuals, part of this russia facebook ad strategy. expect this to be part of the discussion in the next hour by richard burr, the chairman of the senate intelligence committee and mark warner, the top democrat on the committee, who are going to start to detail exactly what they have learned over months of investigations, including these new facebook ads. but i can tell you, kate, the facebook ads are just the beginning of this investigation, on that aspect of it, they really are trying to dive much deeper into exactly what happened here and other social media platforms. a lot of questions there, something we probably will be able to hear at this press conference. more questions now on that aspect than answers at this point. >> a very important detail coming out from your reporting. manu, thank you so much. really appreciate it. joining me now to discuss this and much more, democratic congressman eliot angle of new york. he's a top democrat on the house foreign affairs committee.
congressman, thank you so much for coming in. quite a bit to get to with you, actually, today. these russian-linked facebook ads. manu laid it out perfectly, not only targeting the election, which we had known previously, but michigan, wisconsin, what do you make of this reporting? >> well, in a way it doesn't surprise me. we've known for a long time now it's been russia meddling in our election. it's clear they wanted donald trump to get elected, and this would fall in line with that will pattern. i think what we really have to look at in the ep suing days and weeks and months is was there any collusion from the trump campaign with the russians. was this coordinated? i hope that mr. mueller takes a good hard look at this because it doesn't matter who's president or who's not. i don't want the russians interfering in american democracy. >> well, no clues yet. no evidence yet. that is something obviously that
the committees are investigating and looking into. the committees have seen, are seeing these ads, these ads handed over by facebook. do you think the public should see these specific ads? >> yes, i think we ought to open the windows and let the fresh air blow in. i think the public has an absolute right to know what was going on and an absolute right to know that the russians are trying to subvert not only our elections but the controversy in the nfl, the problems in charlottesville. we now have evidence that the russians have been trying to use those to go against the united states to affect public opinion in the united states. and that's really very, very dangerous. and so again, the question is, not only does russia do this, but is russia doing this with anybody in america, in the trump campaign or anyplace else. >> that remains of course, an
unanswered question. i have to ask you about the extraordinary press conference that wretch tillerson, secretary of state, held at the beginning of the show. i'm sure had you a chance to see it or parts of it at this point ep says he is not leaving his post. that was some of the reporting questioning that he was on verge of it. he says he's reaffirmed his commitment to staying in the post but he would not address the reporting that cnn also has this reporting that he called president trump a moron over the summer after a meeting over at the pentagon. with that being the case, that is cnn's latest reporting that he did that, should the top diplomat in the country stay in that post if he thinks that the president he is serving is a moron? >> well, i think he has to decide for himself what he's doing. it's clear to me having observed him for months now, he's come before the foreign affairs committee and i've had the opportunity to speak with him at other times that he's not happy. the state department morale is
at an all-time low. the president proposed one-third cut across the board in the state department. and. >> congressman, has tillerson told you specifically he's not happy. >> no, it's my observation. i don't know how anybody could be happy in that position when you have a third of the positions cut and you have important positions that haven't yet gotten filled. >> what do you think of this reporting that -- if he does believe that the president is a moron, do you think that the president should keep his top diplomat in place if that's the kind of diplomatic speak he's using about the president? >> i don't know what goes on behind the scenes in the trump administration. but it certainly doesn't make for happiness or or a well functioning at the same time department. mr. tillerton was the ceo of exxonmobil, number one man. i don't know if it's difficult for him to take orders because now he's number one at the tate
department but not number one in the whole scheme of things. donald trump has shown a propensity to get involved in these things and not to let cabinet members who he nominated do their job. i think it's a combination of the two and you know, stay tuned i'm sure there will be a lot more yet to come. >> do you have -- will this come up in any hearings you have the secretary come in for? >> when the secretary comes, i think that i and other people would like to question him. you know, i don't know how he can again be happy presiding over a state department that is you know, vastly curtailed, positions haven't been filled. they talked a lot in this political campaign about benghazi. they want to cut security at our embassies around the world by a substantial amount. it's sort of letting the state department weather on the vine. at the time they're in increasing funding for the department of defense, which the department of state, diplomacy,
usaid all these programs that hopefully prevent wars are given short shrift by this administration. it's too bad. we try very hard on the foreign affairs committee to be bipartisan because it should be a bipartisan committee. we're all-americans and care about what happens. it's very hard if the secretary doesn't seem to be allowed to function. if you don't like the secretary, you know, get rid of him. if he's going to have the job, let him do his job. >> we, at least right now, the secretary says he's staying in the job. congressman eliot engel, thank you very much for your time. >> my pleasure. >> any moment now, top investigate hes are as we have been discussing on capitol hill holding a major news conference disclosing, offering an update an what they have learned from their russia investigation. we'll bring ta to you live. very soon, president trump will be landing in las vegas to meet with survivors. families of the victims and first responders of the horrific
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>> welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. to viewers in the united states and around the world, thank you for sharing your day with us. president trump about to land in las vegas where the death toll stands at 5. investigators now beginning to learn more how the shooter compiled an arsenal of firearms and planned the massacre. >> and yeah, they're learning a lot more. and that will be announced at the appropriate time. it's a very, very sad day for me personally. >> plus, knock rexity. the secretary of state disputes